In this special bonus episode, the mic gets turned: Michelle MiJung Kim—usually the host of I Feel That Way Too—is the one being interviewed.

Recorded live at the Human Rights Summit, hosted by San Francisco Pride at the historic Commonwealth Club, this intimate conversation offers a rare glimpse into the making of the podcast and the story behind it.

In conversation with longtime LGBTQ advocate and host Michelle Meow, Michelle shares the behind-the-scenes journey of launching I Feel That Way Too, including the emotional process of sunsetting her DEI company, Awaken, and reckoning with what it means to tell hard truths in public. Together, they explore the relationship between courage and shame, and how we begin again after letting go of what no longer feels aligned.